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I don't understand why anyone would (routinely and repetitively) need 6 programs, but, hey--to each their own. We use a wide number, but primarily, if you're using Word, your path invariably is Word-->good html editor (like NoteTab Pro, my own fave)-->Sigil. From Sigil, if you want a MOBI, you can use Calibre if you wish, or KindleGen. Not sure what the other two programs would be, but those four pretty much cover the gamut. OO has the same path; even WordPerfect goes that way. Quote:
I can virtually guarantee that user_none certainly won't implement a Magic KindleGen Maker Bullet into Sigil anytime soon, and certainly not while Amazon holds mobi as proprietary. It's just not his bag, as we oldsters used to say. Just my $.02, Hitch |
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The best way to get Sigil to make Kindle compatible eBooks is to get Amazon to switch from obsolete & proprietary formats to ePub. But then, we know pigs will fly, cows will make chocolate milk, hell will freeze over, and republicans and democrats will work side-by-side for the good of the working class in the USA and we'll have peace and no wars of any kind before Amazon would dare go ePub.
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I wasn't surprised by the mostly negative feedback that I received, however, what still puzzles me is the large number of followers of "pure doctrine" who kept repeating the mantra "Sigil is an ePub editor" and more or less said that even considering enhancements to support other formats borders on heresy and would surely screw up Sigil without giving any technical reasons.
I had expected more of a "hacker mentality." I.e. a keen interest in tweaking and enhancing existing tools by adding new useful features that would make life simpler for many people. One could almost get the impression that anybody who doesn't create ePubs deserves to get punished for choosing a "lesser format." Quote:
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Mobi source files are well-documented and almost identical to ePub files; without looking at the html header, only experts would be able to tell at a glance whether a certain html source file is from an ePub or a mobi project. Besides, Sigil supports several proprietary ePub extensions introduced by Adobe for ADE. If full standards compliance were a priority, it should refuse to open ePubs with ADE extensions. I already created my own scripts and creating a fork for just one or two features would be overkill. |
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01-19-2012, 02:03 PM | #36 |
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Hitch & Doitsu,
I was the one with the 6 programs. Prior to KF8, my workflow was: 1)OpenOffice to clean up formatting to be more ebook compatible & save as HTML 2)gEdit/Notepad++ to clean up HTML, inline TOC 3)GIMP to create or edit cover image 4)MobiPocket Creator to start process of creating mobi file 5)Back to Notepad to form toc.ncx file and edit opf file 6)Back to MPC to finish mobi file. 7)Kindle Previewer to validate. 8)Sigil with original html file of step 2, split chapters into separate files, validate epub. 6 programs. If I thought I was up to the task of extending Sigil, I would do it. |
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Well, counting GIMP is a bit much, as you'd have to use that for your cover no matter what you did. I've no idea why you'd use MBPC-->NT or Notepad-->for the ncx and opf; we do it in Sigil when needed. Everybody has their own workflow, of course; but it seems really redundant to me. It seems that you're making the Kindle first, and the epub second--we always do the opposite, as I prefer to do the (relatively "upcoded") epub first, and then downcode for the MOBI, and add the necessary items (i.e., explicit sizing for images, etc.). ETA: Actually...you're creating two books on two paths. That's what threw me. We use the completed ePUB, so we don't have two editing paths. Of course, we're doing this commercially, so I have to be certain I have conformed books; I make the Kindle files, literally, from the final ePUB files. @Doitsu: You don't need a GUI. You can drop the completed ePUB file on the command-line KindleGen, as well. You don't even need to run it from the command-line, as someone with your skillset obviously knows. Here's my question: is your entire desire for Sigil to simply make an inline TOC? Because really, there's not much else needed for KG; so I'm inferring from your post that what you really want is an inline-TOC-maker and an integration to the KG command-line tool. Is that correct? Do I understand you rightly? Hitch Last edited by Hitch; 01-19-2012 at 03:14 PM. Reason: On Second thought... |
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The funny thing is that once the chief Sigil developer decides to add full support for ePub 3, he'll have to add an ncx to inline TOC conversion and/or an inline TOC generator anyway, because in ePub 3 ncx files are superseded by EPUB Navigation Documents, which are very similar to Mobipocket inline TOCs. For more information, see the relevant ePub 3 specification. |
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At some point, IIRC, sigil will acquire a plug-in interface. At that time, it will be truly trivial to set up a "kindlegen" plugin, and almost as trivial to write a script that will generate an inline xhtml TOC from the toc.ncx file. Problem solved.
Actually, in my case I still probably won't bother with a kindlegen plugin, since it's already easy to run the suitably tweaked epub through kindlegen from the command line, as Hitch indicated above. But generating an in-line TOC would be a great candidate for a plugin, IMHO. Anyway, a plug-in architecture will be a great answer for those who need a "purple bidet" plugin, and we won't be needing to have these kinds of arguments. |
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For the life of me, why they supplanted the ncx--which works perfectly fine--with a bloody TYPED TOC seems utterly ridiculous...in this line of work, it's 1 step forward and three steps back. Very frustrating. Of all the major devices, I find the NookColor's ncx-viewer the easiest to use for navigation, superior to the iBooks' app and the Fire + other Kindle's "Go to TOC" function, as Nook allows you to navigate from whence you are, without jumping hither and yon first; certainly NOT the inline TOC's. Bloody tedious. Hitch |
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